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Yrjö-Adolf Maryanus[edit]

Added Yrjö-Adolf Magnus-Peter Klaus-Nikolas Maryanus to the list. He died so he is not immortal but he told other people he would be so he can be there. Gelvonman (talk) 05:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Voldemort[edit]

The spoiler part with Lord Voldemort being obsessed with immortality must be updated with the realease of the seventh harry potter book, half blood prince because that provides this article with important information about Voldemorts immorality. It's said before that he was obsesed with learning immortality but we then learn that he 'is' immortal with the use of the seven horcruxes. The reference should include something about the new book.

Dr. Who and other Time Lords?[edit]

Well no, at least at this point of the series according to canon. They get twelve regenerations, and therefore a very long (subjective) life. Of course as time travelers they can appear in arbitrarily distant points in objective time, but their total life span is still limited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.103.145.156 (talk) 16:35, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing of the list[edit]

These lists are fairly incomplete, and I think the mythological figures one has several things on it which don't belong there - Jesus, for instance, and Elijah, given what the list is supposed to be. Titanium Dragon 09:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When i started this list, i combined historical and mythological owing to the fact that the existance of many of these characters is subject to debate (with their immortality being even more so). For example, Elijah is "historical" in that most adherants to the Abrahamic religions consider him to have been a real historical person, however, he is "mythological" in that the only evidence of his life is contained within religious texts which have their own ends that differ from the end of an objective account of a person's life. We have the same problem with almost every person on the list, Gilgamesh probably existed, probably did not do everything his legend says he did. Same with Heracles, Merlin etc. I left the list combined as historical and mythological in order to not express predudice against any specific worldview (and said worldview's opinion on a character's immoratlity). I suppose it might be equally valid to change the historical/mythological heading to "Non-Fictional Immortals" owing to the fact that this differentiates from immortals such as Lord Voldemort who, being a character in a work of fiction, was never intended to and has never been taken as "real". However. I feel very strongly that seperating the list into two further categories, "historical" and "mythological" displays predudice for or against a certain worldview. Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter. Ignus 07:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page title[edit]

Per my page move, the previous title was impractical because it represents a truth claim. I chose to base the current title on the Jesus claimants, but if you dislike what I've done, you can refer to List of people who have been considered deities as another possible model. It should not be moved back to the old title, however. Hope you can find one that works well. Dekimasu 11:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

a better title might be "people who are claimed to be immortal" -- some poeple who are popularly thought to be immortal probably didn't claim it of themselves, but rather it was claimed about them. there is always a despute of whether Jesus claimed this or claimed that for example. And Elija of course never said he was immortal, rather the bible and it's followers make that claim of him. perhaps I am being overly pedantic, but I think this would be the best title. 24.56.216.132 14:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)amyanda2000[reply]

Utnapishtim[edit]

I removed this, but tentatively enough to put it here instead:

Utnapishtim and his wife (antediluvian), who were granted immortality after surviving the Great Flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

I believe Utnapishtim is disqualified because he lives "where the sun rises," i.e. not really on Earth anymore, more a taken into the heavens deal which shouldn't count as immortality? See this book for one short explanation. Not entirely sure, though, so putting this here in case I'm off. SnowFire (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Enoch[edit]

I've heard that Enoch was claimed to be immortal, essentially because some have said that he is the same as Count Saint-Germain. There is also the case of Elijah, who along with Enoch, is purported to be one of the two witnesses of the book of Revelation. ADM (talk) 09:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using freeread.com as a source or link[edit]

This site is owned by Joseph John (JJ) Dewey though the registration record does not actually mention his name but refers to RMC Internet Services. Detail is on http://www.freeread.com/archives/about.php including promoting the yahoo group to discuss his book. The site exists to promote his books and no warranty as to accuracy or contents is given for texts and essays he includes. The site fails WP:RS and WP:ELNO and should not be added to any article not specifically about him and his publications.—Ash (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eight Immortals of Taoism?[edit]

Before the lists it is claimed they should not be included, but then they are included in the mythological list. One of these must be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.103.145.156 (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Second ref might be vandalism[edit]

The second reference seems to be vandalism. Could someone please check the book? Thanks. 69.225.94.98 (talk) 06:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the claim about stalin's attempt to reach immortality is a ridiculous bullshit[edit]

it didn't have any sources and failed to provide one since somebody set the tag 'source needed' in august so i deleted it 217.118.64.56 (talk) 06:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Flammel[edit]

He is doubted to have created philosopher's stone. usernamekiran 02:07, 25 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usernamekiran (talk • contribs)

Galahad[edit]

I know very little of myths and legends, but I'm a bit dubious about the section regarding Galahad. The Arthurian legends are a bit fuzzy as they were retold many times over centuries, but I believe the Holy Grail only entered the picture in some of the later retellings after being grafted from another story. Even so, I don't believe it was said to have granted immortality (that's Indiana Jones, right?). The source is a book of dubious origin and I cannot find other sources backing up its assertions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:B88C:8501:B881:B55D:7551:11BD (talk) 23:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]